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Mercyful Fate · Feb 24, 2007, 10:48 AM // 10:48

Whether or not new features are included, I'd love to be able to change hair/face/height styles from an NPC in-game.

/signed

-MF

Neriandal Freit · Feb 24, 2007, 01:57 PM // 13:57

Face and Height are a massive no-no.

Think about it this way - we are born with a predetermined hight and facial feature, structure and so forth when we hit puberty and we grow up.

Yet, in life, we can still change (with ease) only one thing that was predetermined and has been changed often for millenia's in are world: Hair.

Hair can be up, down, little to the left or little to the right. It can be red, brown, blonde, black, some where in between each of those colors. It can be white or gray too. We can even dye it to "Extremes" and make it blue, purple, red as a leaf or orange as a pumpkin (those come in white too!)

Our height and facial features? Those we can not change. Those who do change those in our world are insane...but that's another topic of course.

Basically, I'm totally against changing the height and facial feature of a character. We can't do it here, so why do it there?

Soul Within · Feb 24, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Yup. Old players with 2 years old characters should have the right to use the brand new hair styles.

You could even have different stylists in each campaing, so you'll have to travel to Kamadan to give your Tyrian Female Warrior an Elonian hair style.

agreed. please add this!

Cathode_Reborn · Feb 25, 2007, 05:52 AM // 05:52

If it's really been confirmed that none of these features are possible, it'd be nice if a mod could just close the thread since there wouldn't be a point to getting more people to sign.

DarkCloudInc · Feb 27, 2007, 07:19 PM // 19:19

/Signed

Hair and skin tone, i.e. tanning and lightening, is definitely something I would strongly desire in this game.

Peter Panic · Feb 28, 2007, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

Basically, I'm totally against changing the height and facial feature of a character. We can't do it here, so why do it there?

we can change it there bc its a video game. its not real life, y try to make it? this is a fictional game, if u compare it to real life, y not go all the way? if u die, dont worry, theres a rez shrine right over there, or better yet, one of ur buddies might hae rez sig? my point is that if we can use magic and rise people from the dead over and over again, why complain about being able to change how tall one of u characters is? after all, who even cares what his face looks like, he can do magic!!

btw, totally /signed

*Alexiel* · Mar 05, 2007, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by Peter Panic

we can change it there bc its a video game. its not real life, y try to make it? this is a fictional game, if u compare it to real life, y not go all the way? if u die, dont worry, theres a rez shrine right over there, or better yet, one of ur buddies might hae rez sig? my point is that if we can use magic and rise people from the dead over and over again, why complain about being able to change how tall one of u characters is? after all, who even cares what his face looks like, he can do magic!!

btw, totally /signed

Agreed 100%.

Deadly SiNs · Mar 05, 2007, 12:52 AM // 00:52

/signed
I think new hairstyles+colours would be pretty awesome ^^;

Envious · Mar 05, 2007, 01:12 AM // 01:12

I really like this idea.

/signed

Neriandal Freit · Mar 05, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Peter Panic

we can change it there bc its a video game. its not real life, y try to make it? this is a fictional game, if u compare it to real life, y not go all the way? if u die, dont worry, theres a rez shrine right over there, or better yet, one of ur buddies might hae rez sig? my point is that if we can use magic and rise people from the dead over and over again, why complain about being able to change how tall one of u characters is? after all, who even cares what his face looks like, he can do magic!!

btw, totally /signed

Simply put, it's ignorant if you want to go to that extreme. Find a game that lets you do that if you want that.

Yes, I know, it's "fantasy game!". But, all 'fantasy' is reality to some extent. You can change your height by magic, sure, but come on, let's be real here. In the world of guildwars, there isn't a Wizard is there? We have Elementalist and Mesmers, and people who those who can raise the dead (over, and over.), with a few who raise the undead.

One of the reasons why this game is so liked is because of this 'reality' there is with it. The 'reality' is we can't change our height in this reality. Like I stated before, we can go as natural in our hair or as extreme as a pumpkin in our hair. We can bend it and shape it to about any extreme we want.

Yet, we can't change our height at will can we? That's why we have a bar on the right side of the screen from really small, to (in my opinion) normally tall. Thats the one and only chance you get to change something like that. Let's not begin to implement something to that extreme in this game, reguardless if it is a fantasy or not. Dungeons and Dragons Online might have a Wizard who could do something like that, I don't know. But you won't find that here in Guildwars.

Lumen · Mar 05, 2007, 05:48 AM // 05:48

I'd like a change every once in a while.
/signed.

Lord-UWR · Mar 05, 2007, 05:53 AM // 05:53

/signed

this is a must in the game, and it has been suggested before MANY MANY TIMES. Everytime Gaile appears, this is the first thing that is asked, so she has developed the habit of settling this first by saying: "No News on Hair or Face Stylist, etc."

Also, it has been confirmed that this is on schedule to be added, but not in the immediate tomorrow.

FelixCarter · Mar 05, 2007, 08:51 AM // 08:51

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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

Simply put, it's ignorant if you want to go to that extreme. Find a game that lets you do that if you want that.

Yes, I know, it's "fantasy game!". But, all 'fantasy' is reality to some extent. You can change your height by magic, sure, but come on, let's be real here. In the world of guildwars, there isn't a Wizard is there? We have Elementalist and Mesmers, and people who those who can raise the dead (over, and over.), with a few who raise the undead.

One of the reasons why this game is so liked is because of this 'reality' there is with it. The 'reality' is we can't change our height in this reality. Like I stated before, we can go as natural in our hair or as extreme as a pumpkin in our hair. We can bend it and shape it to about any extreme we want.

Yet, we can't change our height at will can we? That's why we have a bar on the right side of the screen from really small, to (in my opinion) normally tall. Thats the one and only chance you get to change something like that. Let's not begin to implement something to that extreme in this game, reguardless if it is a fantasy or not. Dungeons and Dragons Online might have a Wizard who could do something like that, I don't know. But you won't find that here in Guildwars.

I can see the point of your argument, but the game is how ANet makes it. If they add in the ability to change height/faces, then it will be so.

If you're arguing that the faces and height change are unrealistic however, then your logic is flawed. I know people that's facial appearance has changed drastically over 2 years. I also know a lot of friends that grow fast in a matter of years, sometimes even months. I myself grew 4 inches in one year. You cannot base reality off of just your life. You must accept any and all variables that others know as truth (including yourself) to come to a true understanding of what reality is.

Reality is a great influence on this game, but it does not rule it. We can't jump. We can't swim. We can't run faster for a short period of time. Why? Because ANet made it so. If they make our height changeable, then that is how it will be and we must accept that.

Once again, I am not attacking your opinion. As a matter of fact, I understand where you're coming from. This is merely my opinion on the matter. Take it or leave it.

/Signed for everything.

deadman_uk · Mar 05, 2007, 10:58 AM // 10:58

I agree

/signed

Peter Acid Eater · Mar 05, 2007, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

Our height and facial features? Those we can not change. Those who do change those in our world are insane...but that's another topic of course.

Basically, I'm totally against changing the height and facial feature of a character. We can't do it here, so why do it there?

We can't do it here? I beg to differ.

http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/fact/thr_r...Ort hopaedics
Limb lengthening. It's the thing that put Rivers Cuomo out of playing for about a year and a half. Using this procedure it is possible to increase a person's overall height. It is also possible to do the opposite and shorten them, though that procedure is more risky.

We can't change our facial attributes in real life? Ever heard of plastic surgery?

My point isn't really to argue semantics, but we CAN change our height and faces in real life. I know the argument is going to be that GW doesn't have plastic surgeons and orthopedic doctors and what all, but as said before... why would they need them? You teleport halfway across the continent in a blink of an eye. You can come back from the dead. This is a land of powerful magic and I see no reason why it should be considered unreasonable to presume that such a power might exist to accomplish the necessary goals to change one's appearance.

Some things, I agree, should be left alone. Names and sex should stay where they are. I don't even have a problem with height being a fixed attribute. But I feel that I should be allowed to update my warrior's face to one in the new campaign without having to completely delete the character, their armor, and lose all of the Epic Skills that I've gained. The new necro faces are pretty cool looking and it's annoying to have to start over again just for a face, or just for a hairstyle.

You can argue fantasy/reflections of reality all you want, but what it truly comes down to is; this is a game. ANet should do what makes the game fun for its players. To argue that the powers to achieve these means isn't there or is impossible is silly. There is much left to discover about the GW universe.

/signed
*cross compatability with hairstyles/faces would be nice too. (ie: Nightfall face w/ Prophecies hair)

Neriandal Freit · Mar 05, 2007, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Update their face entirely? Isn't that creating a new character and just using the old one as the ride? Kind of sad isn't it?

Plus, with both the plastic surgery/ortho things you've listed, tell me, how many people in our world do such things? Sure, people get their boobs lifted and nose shaved, don't get me wrong. But how many people actually go to the extremes to do a total face reconstruction unless he or she was in a serious accident or incident? Such things should apply to Guildwars reguardless if we come back from the dead or not, because if we didn't in this game, would you still be playing it with one life? (The teleport to places, well, no argument there. At first I was like "this is sad...", but, it's in there and I'll take it as it's my only option unless I want to go way to far for a simple, simple quest.)

Hair Color/Styles should really be the only major thing we should be able to change on a character, unless one day they impliment the changing of eye coloring (which then we'll see, I want to change my lips, eye shape, ears and toes tooo!!!!!!, so I doubt it). But, for the most part, we only get one chance to make a height of a character, we shouldn't get a "Get out of jail free!" card and at will change our height and entire face.

It just takes away from the life of your character, they aren't them anymore if you always change things on them. It's like a Paris Hilton. No fun on the inside.

mikkel · Mar 05, 2007, 03:47 PM // 15:47

This height/facial structure argument is silly. This is a game where potions can turn people into gnomes and candy corn, and where gods can turn mortals into pigs. Simply changing someone's face would seem like a trivial matter.

MithranArkanere · Mar 05, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Hm... for those that like the new faces, there could be a 'one time' remake anytime new faces are added to a campaign.

Players would be warned: "this will be the only time you'll be able to change your character appearance".
New things would be only the new ones added for the particular campaign, so if new faces are added to another, you won' be able to change other characters, only the ones of that campaign.
You'll be sent to the character creating an you'll be able to change the face model and skin tan, but not height.

Then you'll be able to change hair color and style with the stylist anytime you want, keeping the new face until new stuff is added again to that campaign (maybe never).

Neriandal Freit · Mar 05, 2007, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by mikkel

This height/facial structure argument is silly. This is a game where potions can turn people into gnomes and candy corn, and where gods can turn mortals into pigs. Simply changing someone's face would seem like a trivial matter.

True and fair enough. Admittedly silly to want to turn into a gnome, and it is a divine being rather then a god who can turn things into pigs

It's not so much an argument though as a debate. As I learned over the weekend, appearntly I love to debate and I don't even realize it :P

Peter Acid Eater · Mar 05, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

Update their face entirely? Isn't that creating a new character and just using the old one as the ride? Kind of sad isn't it?

What? No, it's not creating a new char. Creating a new char is just that. Creating a new char. New name, starts at lvl 1, begins the new campaign. I feel it's silly to have to delete a charcter that I have sunk a lot of money and time into to get their Elite Skills, various armor sets, weapon sets, etc. just because a new campaign came out and I would like to use that campaign's facial models.

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Plus, with both the plastic surgery/ortho things you've listed, tell me, how many people in our world do such things? Sure, people get their boobs lifted and nose shaved, don't get me wrong. But how many people actually go to the extremes to do a total face reconstruction unless he or she was in a serious accident or incident?

Witness protection program. Celebrity impersonators. Bored Malibu housewives. Celebrities. You can't say Ashlee Simpson post nose-job looks just like the pre-op. Once agin, the real point isn't even whether or not it can be done in RL. Who cares? It's a game based in a world of high fantasy. If this was steam-punk, then I might understand a little more.

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Such things should apply to Guildwars reguardless if we come back from the dead or not, because if we didn't in this game, would you still be playing it with one life? (The teleport to places, well, no argument there. At first I was like "this is sad...", but, it's in there and I'll take it as it's my only option unless I want to go way to far for a simple, simple quest.)

Hair Color/Styles should really be the only major thing we should be able to change on a character, unless one day they impliment the changing of eye coloring (which then we'll see, I want to change my lips, eye shape, ears and toes tooo!!!!!!, so I doubt it). But, for the most part, we only get one chance to make a height of a character, we shouldn't get a "Get out of jail free!" card and at will change our height and entire face.

I agree that height should be fixed.

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It just takes away from the life of your character, they aren't them anymore if you always change things on them. It's like a Paris Hilton. No fun on the inside.

My character is still my character because they're my character. It's not them anymore? It's not a real person. Who cares? If you think it destroys the integrity of your char, then don't use it.

My entire point is that requiring me to delete my Warrior; who is 1.5 years old, has numerous elite skills, has a few titles, and has several armor sets, in order to use a feature of the new campaign is silly and quite annoying. IMO, my chars titles, skills, and armor sets make him much more "him" than what facial model he's using.

We agree to disagree as there is no point in arguing. I doubt I'll convince you and you're currently not convincing me. If you feel that the ability to change your char's face destroys "who they are", then don't use it. But why penalize others who want use a feature afforded to them by the new campaign? You have your personal, morally based objections, but unless there is a serious, logistical reason, I fail to see this request as unreasonable.

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Hm... for those that like the new faces, there could be a 'one time' remake anytime new faces are added to a campaign.

Players would be warned: "this will be the only time you'll be able to change your character appearance".
New things would be only the new ones added for the particular campaign, so if new faces are added to another, you won' be able to change other characters, only the ones of that campaign.
You'll be sent to the character creating an you'll be able to change the face model and skin tan, but not height.

That would be fine as well. I don't want to change my face every day, but I would like to be able to use the new content with my existing char. The current means of deleting my old char and making a new char just to use the new content is not a very good one, IMO.